. >> you're right. >> teachers, civil servants, et cetera. i see that as a net positive. >> unless there's a fiscal cliff and you won't be adding government jobs, that's for darn sure. >> let's talk a little bit about the middle, and for the people in the middle, you could argue that the middle class has demand an awful lot over the past 20 or 30 years that sort of led us to this debt problem, led us to this deficit problem. they want homeownership for everybody. we want tax cuts. we want medicare part "d." we want an expansion of safety net programs and then this is what happens. there's no one in the middle to figure out how to pay for all this stuff the middle has been getting. >> and that's really honestly what this election is about. i think one of the things that i found fascinating, although i didn't think they quite got there, is when the two candidates were asked about the role of government, because that's what elections are always about, it seems to me. i mean, yes, you know, it's about turning out your base and about this or that,